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F150 No code intermittent misfire issues

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1 month 3 weeks ago #64985 by bills4065
Next time in truck- look at map pid , key on engine not running what are the readings? Thanks.

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1 month 3 weeks ago #65008 by 52Tele
Intake air temp after it had ran a little bit but key on engine off
Temp 143.6
voltage 1.026

Manifold absolute Pressure
Pressure 14.2137
Voltage 3.982

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1 month 3 weeks ago #65009 by bills4065
It seems to work,but how accurate? I am sure you have to check signal wire for ford map with multimeter that reads hertz, or a scope. I would give sensor and wiring a good visual check. If mounted right in and no hose-I would pull it out for visual check.

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1 month 3 weeks ago #65010 by 52Tele
Where they place the MAP sensor on these trucks is a pain to get to. I already have a new one that I purchased months ago so I'll probably just go ahead and replace it.
The pressure part of the sensor seems most the time to read accurately but the intake temperature portion of the sensor doesn't seem right to me.

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1 month 3 weeks ago #65019 by Hardtopdr2
might want to get fuel pressure readings at idle, 2000 and 2500 rpm and while the issue is occurring this might be an issue with the fuel pump driver/control module "bolted to cross tube above spare tire and has eight pin connector"

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1 month 3 weeks ago #65023 by bills4065
Just thinking out loud here, some electronic returnlesss systems may give you a rail pressure pid you can monitor. Not sure if your truck does.

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1 month 3 weeks ago #65024 by 52Tele
I'll try to get a fuel pressure gauge that will work with this system today or loan one out at the parts store. I'll double check about fuel pressure readings on my scan tool as well. I know it has fuel tank pressure readings but can't remember about fuel rail.

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1 month 3 weeks ago #65028 by 52Tele
So I have pids marked as line pressure. But I don't think it's fuel related. But it's also strange that desired and actual is different on whatever it is. 
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1 month 3 weeks ago #65031 by 52Tele
I found that this is for transmission.

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1 month 3 weeks ago #65037 by bills4065
Paul just did a video on You Tube 2006 F150 , same fuel system as yours. Links also to other videos.
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1 month 3 weeks ago #65040 by 52Tele
OK thanks I'll look into it. Do you know much about VVT systems?

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1 month 3 weeks ago #65042 by Noah
There's a lot here, so I may have missed some points. The intake air temperature PID does sound suspiciously high. When the engine is cold after sitting overnight, key on engine not running, does the IAT agree with the rest of the temperature sensors?
I have heard instructor John Forrow say that restricted catalytic converters can raise IAT to temperatures that you would not typically find. I have not used this method to diagnose a restricted exhaust, but it sounds plausible.
Regarding VVT as Tyler mentioned earlier, there are VVT error pods for each bank. You really only want to see a degree or two of error and only momentarily when changing rpm. Steadily higher numbers of degrees of error indicate VVT issues.

"Ground cannot be checked with a 10mm socket"
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1 month 3 weeks ago #65043 by 52Tele
Also does anyone know how to find out if I should have a fuel rail pressure data pid available? I feel like I have seen it before but can't seem to find it on either of my scan tools currently.
Thanks again everyone

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1 month 3 weeks ago #65044 by 52Tele
Concerning VVT data I have desired, actual, and then a desired minus actual for the difference/error. At idle most of the time they stay close to zero. I have had times in deceleration, light throttle tip in, and snap throttle where I have seen numbers in the negative to positive 30's. It doesn't stay long but does happen I'll try to get a capture of it. I have done the test where you unplug the VCT solenoid and it locks the phasers in a certain spot but it's been a while so I need to do this again and monitor data. I also decided to extend my oil change interval this time to see if the condition worsened. It seems like it has Because I can notice a shudder when rolling to a stop at a stop sign and also get random shudders sometimes sitting parked at idle and fuel trims normally drop to -20 something when that shudder happens but then the shudder stops and goes back to where it was.

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1 month 3 weeks ago #65046 by bills4065
Noah, Tyler and others on forum would know far more on vvt than me. I know they recommend oil changes as stated by manufacturers. Looking back, your scanner said both banks lean at 3500 rpm, bank 2 far leaner than bank 1. Just saying.
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1 month 3 weeks ago #65047 by 52Tele
Can you explain what you're meaning for the end of your message when talking about the previous data? Are you meaning that makes you think it's more fuel related?

Just where everyone gets where I'm coming from I'm not leaning in a specific direction myself currently. Just trying to look at all data and then pick a path. I believe it could be fuel related but I also believe it could be vct related.

I also haven't ruled out computer related issues. During all this happening I borrowed a friend's bluedriver for a while and noticed when graphing data I had random times when signal would drop out or certain sensors would spike or dip to levels that wouldn't be possible. For instance engine coolant temp dip to 32 degrees F and then go back to normal range. It would happen on a few sensors at the same time.
Also during that time I had a redtop optima battery that started leaking and knew that wasn't supposed to happen. On their website it stated if one was leaking it was most likely from an alternator over charging. I checked the alternator and it was operating correctly so I replaced the battery.
Another reason I had some computer concerns were that my factory plugs when I replaced them the gaps were a good bit out of spec and I had heard of coils being stressed and damaging the computer. So again multiple concerns and I've done a lot checking but just trying to find the right path.

Sorry for the long post

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1 month 3 weeks ago #65048 by 52Tele
Actually according to my Topscan it's still doing the weird temperature thing. See picture for intake air temp and it also shows the range. 

I just luckily caught this
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1 month 3 weeks ago #65049 by 52Tele
Here is another image with how long it lasted. Less than a second notice how flat the module supply voltage gets also. Really weird. 
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1 month 3 weeks ago #65050 by 52Tele
I actually got the time wrong on that sorry. Let me do some more checking on this when I get my better scanner after work

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1 month 3 weeks ago #65067 by 52Tele
So I had something happen that stressed me out even more about my truck. We went to a few estate sales earlier. At the last one we got back in the truck started it and put it in drive and noticed the indicator in the guages didn't move. I moved it back to park an then again to drive. Indicator still didn't move and I realized the whole dash was out. I started connecting scan tool and turned truck off and then back on and it started fine. Shifted again from park to drive and still nothing. Went back to park left it running and while running scan about a  minute later the dash came back on. Ran a scan and this is some of the first things I got. 
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