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2001 Nissan Almera P0335

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2 weeks 3 days ago #92981 by advautoserv
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Hi everyone. I'm new to the forum and this is my first post.

I'm working on a 2001 Nissan Almera N16 with a permanent P0335 CKP Sensor Circuit. The CKP sensor has been replaced. Wiring checks have been done in accordance with Paul's teaching and the ECU has been replaced. Signal, Power and ground all check satisfactory with Picoscope. Still the P0335 persists. Does anyone have a direction I can take from here.

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2 weeks 2 days ago - 2 weeks 2 days ago #92982 by Chad
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Hi, Francis.
Welcome to the forum. 

When you say "permanent P0335", are you referring to Mode 10 Permanent Codes? 
Or, are you referring to a persistent, currently active code? Is the CEL illuminated?

Do you have any noticeable performance issues? No start, hard start, misfires...?
I'd like to see a waveform of the crank position signal, captured from the ECM connector. 

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1 week 4 days ago #92990 by advautoserv
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Hi Chad,
Thanks for your input. You are right it's a persistent code with MIL on all the time. No starting, missing or other driveability issues.

I will attach the waveform taken with my Picoscope.
 

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1 week 4 days ago #92993 by Chad
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It looks like the signal is not pulling all the way down.
Make sure that your crank sensor has a good ground.
Can you share the .psdata file, via google drive link?

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1 week 3 days ago #92995 by advautoserv
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Hi Chad. Above is the link to see the waveform file. I hope I have done it correctly.
The sensor is grounded at the computer and the computer grounds all check good. additionally I have cleaned the grounds on the engine.

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1 week 3 days ago #92996 by Chad
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The signal is only pulling down to 300mv. While I can't say with any certainty that that is the problem, I will say that I would prefer to see it much closer to zero.
You said that the  Crank position sensor has, already, been replaced. Was it replaced with and OEM sensor? Or, aftermarket?
If it was replaced with and aftermarket sensor, I would replace it, again, with an OEM sensor and keep my fingers crossed. 

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1 week 3 days ago #92997 by Chad
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Before throwing a sensor at it, can you post a waveform of both Cam and Crank, when the codes sets?

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1 week 1 day ago - 1 week 1 day ago #93000 by Noah
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The sensor is grounded at the computer and the computer grounds all check good. additionally I have cleaned the grounds on the engine.
...which doesn't necessarily mean that the crank sensor has a good ground. I don't mean to nit pick, but you do need to measure the crank sensor ground directly to determine if the sensor will be capable of pulling the signal to ground. There could potentially be a circuit or computer issue keeping the sensor ground elevated, in turn keeping the signal from being pulled to ground.
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6 days 12 hours ago #93006 by advautoserv
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Hi everyone, Thanks for your inputs. The sensor has been replaced with an OEM sensor. This pulls down to 50mv. The sensor ground has been checked and for all intents is 0v. The code sets immediately the vehicle is started. The engine runs beautifully except for the MIL being on. The ECM has been replaced with same result.

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6 days 12 hours ago #93007 by advautoserv
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Interestingly I just realized that my CKP waveform has 17 peaks when all the waveforms on the forum for the same make model vehicle have 16. Can anyone shed light on this?

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6 days 11 hours ago #93008 by advautoserv
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Hi Chad, Here's the CKP/CMP waveform.

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6 days 10 hours ago #93010 by Chad
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I just realized that my CKP waveform has 17 peaks when all the waveforms on the forum for the same make model vehicle have 16.


I believe the difference is the engine size. You, probably, have the 1.5L. Here, is a link to a 1.5L KG:
rotkee.com/en/wavebase/good-timing-ckp-c...Yjh8ZI8D7CN8AWmlspbC


I believe the 1.8L has 16 teeth.

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6 days 9 hours ago - 6 days 9 hours ago #93011 by Chad
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It looks, to me, like the wide finger of the Cam should straddle the Sync-notch of the crank. 
 

Your Cam is 4° retarded.  
 

The wheel of the Crank is 36-2 teeth. Each tooth of the crank signal is 10°


I don't know how tight Nissan specifications are but, I have never seen 4° cause an instant code. 
Does this vehicle have a Cam/Crank relearn routine in the PCM?

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