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2002 Jeep 4.0l Crank no Start, no codes
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1. OBDII reader provides no codes
2. Crank no start, gauges do respond, not tach however
3. Fresh battery
4. New spark plugs
5. Will not start or fire with a shot of ether
6. Fuel pressure at rail, enough to shoot out when schrader valve is pushed open. Have not tested pressure
7. Replaced Crankshaft Sensor
8. Replaced coil pack
9. Have tested 5.0v system at MAP sensor with key on and have 5.0v
10. Have tested and visually inspected all fuses
11. Have swapped relays, no change. Have not tested or replaced relays.
I am at a loss of what to try next. I have access to volt meters, test lights, and recently purchased an Icon T8 diagnostic tool, but my knowledge of running that is very limited.
Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance
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Without cranking the engine, you should have battery voltage for 2-3 seconds after turning the key on. After the 2-3 seconds, the ASD (Auto Shut Down) Relay will open (de-engergize) and you will no longer have battery voltage.
Next, crank the engine. Once you start cranking, if the PCM is receiving a crank signal, it will re-energize the ASD Relay and you should, again, have battery voltage on the Dark Green wire with a light green strip on pin #2.
Do this test and report back.
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I will wait for the next step and thank you.
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Next, we need to see if you have coil control. A labscope would be the best tool for this but, an incandescent test light will work, too. The other 3 wires of the coil connector are control wires. Key on, Engine off with the connector connected, they should have battery voltage for 2-3 seconds, too. Use an incandescent test light and observe the light. For the first 2-3 seconds, without cranking the engine, the test-light should shine as bright as it did with the power wire. When cranking, look closely and you should see the test-light flicker as the coils fire. ScannerDanner is demonstrating this at 17:20 of this video:
www.scannerdanner.com/scannerdanner-prem...iagnosis-part-3.html
You can, also, check for injector pulse using this same method, or with a noid light.
If you have coil control and injector pulse, we neee to know what the actual fuel pressure is.
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no light with key on, no light when cranking
Pin 2. (Dark green/light green)
light on briefly, less than a second with key on, solid light, same brightness when cranking
Pin 3. (Blue/white)
no light with key on, no light when cranking
Pin 4. (Red/yellow)
no light with key on, no light when cranking
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Pin 1. - no light on key on. Pulsing light with engine crank.
Pin 2. Solid/flickering ish with key on. No light on cranking
Pin 3. No light with key on, pulsing light with engine cranking.
Pin 4. No light with key on. Pulsing light with engine cranking.
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However, with the test light connected to battery negative and the test-light not lighting at all when touching the control wires, that is an indication of a problem.
1. The coil could be open/bad. (Battery voltage should enter the coil on the Power Feed wire and come out on the control wires.)
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2. The control is shorted to ground. We know this is not the case because you had a pulse when the test light was connected to Battery +. If the control was shorted to ground the test-light would not pulse, it would be constantly lit. (Also, it is not impossible but, it is unlikely that you have 3 shorted control circuits.)
Disconnect coil connector and use an ohm meter to check the resistance of the coil pack. Touch one lead of the ohm meter to Power Feed on Pin #2 of the coil pack. Touch the other lead of the ohm meter to each of the control pins, one at a time. You should get a reading of about 1 Ω between the Power Feed pin and each of the control pins. If you don't, you have a bad coil pack.
Be sure to watch the video that I posted from [11:15] to [44:30].
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The test of cranking while checking for a flickering test-light on the control wires should have been done with the coil pack connected to the wiring harness.And just to be clear all key/crank tests were at pin connector with coil pack unplugged.
A measurement of 1.2 Ω of resistance suggests a good coil. However, open circuit resistance tests can be misleading. It would be a good idea to redo the flicker test with the coil connected.
If you re-test and see a flicker on the control wires of the coil, do the same test on the one or two of the injectors, just to verify that you have injector pulse, too. If it turns out that you have a good coil/control and good injector pulse, then we need to know what your actual fuel pressure is.
If it turns out that you have a good, sparking coil pack, injector pulse, and good fuel pressure, we will need to verify cam/valve timing.
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