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1997 Jeep TJ 2.5 Build Date 7/97 - Crank/No Start

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11 months 3 weeks ago #67003 by KikoJones
1997 Jeep TJ 2.5 - Crank/No Start
Before I begin, a little background on me.  I was a Navy Avionics Technician and have worked on Aerospace Electrical, Electronic and Mechanical equipment.  I've did an LS Swap on my GMC C1500 all by myself, of course with Youtube and research.  I'm missing some detail but can't see it.  Might be too close to the issue.   Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope.

It was running before I replaced the Intake/Exhaust Manifold Gasket.
I unplugged all the sensors on the intake Manifold, Coolant Temp, CNK Sensor and Upstream O2 sensor, moved the harness over to facilitate the repair.
After buttoning everything up, I tried to start the engine but it would Crank but not Start/Run.  I have Fuel pressure but no spark. Not getting Power to Coil from Automatic Shut Down Relay.
Verified Relay Good using multimeter and power.
I'm thinking that the Computer is not seeing change of the CKP or CAM sensor because of the 5v on the Sensor Ground (A4)

The following codes are present:
1. P1492 JEEP - Ambient/battery Temp Sens volts too high
2. P0123 - Throttle/pedal position sensor/switch A circuit high (live data shows 100%)
3. P0118 - Engine coolant temp sensor 1 circuit high (live data shows -49F)
4. P 0113 - Intake air temperature sensor 1 circuit high (live data shows -49F)
Removed the TPS and verified that Resistance changes when turned. Both the ECT & IAT show resistance (don't remember the value but definitely not shorted or open)

Parts replaced, Coil (it was cracked) and MAP (was reading low resistance) they were cheap from Rockauto so...

I did some troubleshooting and found 5v signal on the Sensor Ground (A4).  
I disconnected ALL the sensors that share the Sensor Ground (A4) and there are A LOT.  The 5v disappeared. 
If I plug in ANY one of those sensors, the 5v reference on Sensor Ground (A4) reappears. 

I have continuity from Pin 3 of the TPS to Sensor Ground (A4) and Pin 1 to 5 Volt Supply (A17).  
 
 

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11 months 3 weeks ago - 11 months 3 weeks ago #67037 by ferris48
Your computer can't provide a ground path for those sensors or A4 has pin fitment issues. Try grounding out A4 at battery negative and see if it'll start.

Additionally, do voltage drop test on grounds at A31 and A32 while A4 has 5 volts on it to rule out bad computer ground.
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11 months 3 weeks ago #67060 by KikoJones

Your computer can't provide a ground path for those sensors or A4 has pin fitment issues. Try grounding out A4 at battery negative and see if it'll start.

Additionally, do voltage drop test on grounds at A31 and A32 while A4 has 5 volts on it to rule out bad computer ground.

Grounded A4 to BATT (-) and no change.
Voltage Drop Test from A31 to GND = 0
Voltage Drop Test from A32 to GND = 0
 

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11 months 3 weeks ago #67064 by ferris48

I disconnected ALL the sensors that share the Sensor Ground (A4) and there are A LOT. The 5v disappeared.


Are you reading 5v back probed at the computer harness? If yes this is telling you the wire's intact up to that point. Possibilities are bad connector, bent pin, bad connection, or the circuit inside the computer is broken.

Ground out the sensor ground wire exactly where you're getting the 5v at. If 5v is still present on sensor ground after grounding out the sensor ground wire, then you're not making contact with the sensor ground wire or the wire you're using is bad.

Gotta love it when  you take too long typing out a post and the session expired lol:  

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11 months 3 weeks ago #67070 by KikoJones

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I disconnected ALL the sensors that share the Sensor Ground (A4) and there are A LOT. The 5v disappeared.


Are you reading 5v back probed at the computer harness? If yes this is telling you the wire's intact up to that point. Possibilities are bad connector, bent pin, bad connection, or the circuit inside the computer is broken.

Ground out the sensor ground wire exactly where you're getting the 5v at. If 5v is still present on sensor ground after grounding out the sensor ground wire, then you're not making contact with the sensor ground wire or the wire you're using is bad.

Gotta love it when  you take too long typing out a post and the session expired lol:  

Yes.  I'm back probing the harness.  It doesn't matter what sensor I probe, I'm getting 5v on the ground.   If I ground the Sensor Ground I get ZERO, volts.

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11 months 3 weeks ago #67071 by ferris48
After you ground Sensor Ground and you get ZERO volts, what trouble codes do you get. If you're still getting any circuit high codes at any other sensor, look for a broken sensor ground wire going to the sensors that appear after code scan.

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