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'98 C1500 5.0L RWD No start
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1 year 4 weeks ago - 1 year 4 weeks ago #66652
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'98 C1500 5.0L RWD No start was created by flyinwrenches
Afternoon gents,
My buddies '98 will barely start after a new fuel pump, fuel filter, and TPS sensor.
I have the following codes,
P0123 Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) circuit high voltage
P0453 Fuel Tank Pressure (FTP) sensor circuit high voltage
P0463 Fuel Level sensor circuit high voltage
P0560 System Voltage
P1121 Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) circuit intermittent high voltage
So he replaced the fuel pump, TPS, Fuel filter and still has a very struggling start, that eventually lead to no start, sometimes it will fire for a few seconds then struggle and die.
He then ended up having no fire at all, and I used my habor freight master fuel test kit, and found zero pressure.
Now I have a Autel Maxicheck MX900 and I repaired another buddies '05 tahoe, using it. It's very useful. I commanded his fuel pump on, and found the pressure to slowly decrease. I also use alldata, and the procedure called out that it should hold pressure. We replaced the fuel pump, and it ran alot better and held pressure at the fuel feed line, but still dropped pressure at the rail. Alldata called out for a fuel injector test next for that. It still had a slight miss, and sometimes hard start. Following Alldata, I removed the intake manifold, and tested each injector to find #5 sputtering. We replaced that and not a single issue since. My reason for explaining this is that, my scan tool cannot command the fuel pump on, on this '98. It gives me an error "OUT OF LIMITS RANGE" so I don't know if thats related but there it is.
We dropped the fuel tank, and removed the pump. I reconnected the two connectors, and had him turn the key, no wine, nothing. So we returned it for another, thinking it was DOA or faulty. Then tested the new unit again outside the tank (for a split second) and it works, i can audibly here it running. We then re-installed the tank.
Well now it gets weird. I hooked up my fuel gauge, and I get 10psi KOEO, and it jumps to 55 - 65 when the key is off, and then instantly starts to drop pressure. THEN, sometimes when we cycle the key, I get nothing. To check and see if the pump is working, I removed the fuel filter, and the same process occurs, sometimes I get fuel out of the line, and sometimes I don't when he cycles the key.
I'm going to follow Alldata's procedure for fuel test to a T tomorrow. I ususally just hook one line to a gauge with no relief valve and check that way, but it calls out to remove the relay, remove the fuel pressure, cycle the key, then install the gauge set, cycle the key, and remove the air, the cycle again to test. (Attached image)
I'm starting to think he has a wiring issue, since I cannot command the fuel pump on with my MX900.
Any thoughts or insight would be very very much appreciated. Thanks guys. Love the channel.
My buddies '98 will barely start after a new fuel pump, fuel filter, and TPS sensor.
I have the following codes,
P0123 Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) circuit high voltage
P0453 Fuel Tank Pressure (FTP) sensor circuit high voltage
P0463 Fuel Level sensor circuit high voltage
P0560 System Voltage
P1121 Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) circuit intermittent high voltage
So he replaced the fuel pump, TPS, Fuel filter and still has a very struggling start, that eventually lead to no start, sometimes it will fire for a few seconds then struggle and die.
He then ended up having no fire at all, and I used my habor freight master fuel test kit, and found zero pressure.
Now I have a Autel Maxicheck MX900 and I repaired another buddies '05 tahoe, using it. It's very useful. I commanded his fuel pump on, and found the pressure to slowly decrease. I also use alldata, and the procedure called out that it should hold pressure. We replaced the fuel pump, and it ran alot better and held pressure at the fuel feed line, but still dropped pressure at the rail. Alldata called out for a fuel injector test next for that. It still had a slight miss, and sometimes hard start. Following Alldata, I removed the intake manifold, and tested each injector to find #5 sputtering. We replaced that and not a single issue since. My reason for explaining this is that, my scan tool cannot command the fuel pump on, on this '98. It gives me an error "OUT OF LIMITS RANGE" so I don't know if thats related but there it is.
We dropped the fuel tank, and removed the pump. I reconnected the two connectors, and had him turn the key, no wine, nothing. So we returned it for another, thinking it was DOA or faulty. Then tested the new unit again outside the tank (for a split second) and it works, i can audibly here it running. We then re-installed the tank.
Well now it gets weird. I hooked up my fuel gauge, and I get 10psi KOEO, and it jumps to 55 - 65 when the key is off, and then instantly starts to drop pressure. THEN, sometimes when we cycle the key, I get nothing. To check and see if the pump is working, I removed the fuel filter, and the same process occurs, sometimes I get fuel out of the line, and sometimes I don't when he cycles the key.
I'm going to follow Alldata's procedure for fuel test to a T tomorrow. I ususally just hook one line to a gauge with no relief valve and check that way, but it calls out to remove the relay, remove the fuel pressure, cycle the key, then install the gauge set, cycle the key, and remove the air, the cycle again to test. (Attached image)
I'm starting to think he has a wiring issue, since I cannot command the fuel pump on with my MX900.
Any thoughts or insight would be very very much appreciated. Thanks guys. Love the channel.
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1 year 4 weeks ago #66663
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"Ground cannot be checked with a 10mm socket"
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I would check power and ground at the pump, I dont remember reading anywhere in your post that you did that.
Of course I don't think that will correct the codes it is setting for the TPS sensor, but may explain intermittent fuel pressure.
Of course I don't think that will correct the codes it is setting for the TPS sensor, but may explain intermittent fuel pressure.
Can you expand on this, I don't follow what you are saying here.replaced the fuel pump, and it ran alot better and held pressure at the fuel feed line, but still dropped pressure at the rail
"Ground cannot be checked with a 10mm socket"
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1 year 4 weeks ago #66670
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Replied by flyinwrenches on topic '98 C1500 5.0L RWD No start
Yes, sorry that caused confusion. I was giving an example about a different vehicle where I was able to command the fuel pump on via scan tool, and how this vehicle, (the '98 c1500) will not let me and the scan tool shows me an error "out of limits range"
I did get a video that clearly shows the issue I'm having.
'98 C1500 no start
I did get a video that clearly shows the issue I'm having.
'98 C1500 no start
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1 year 4 weeks ago #66679
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"Ground cannot be checked with a 10mm socket"
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No fuel pressure.
I would check power and ground at the pump.
I would check power and ground at the pump.
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1 year 3 weeks ago #66683
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I am able to get the truck to start and run immediately when I jump the fuel pump relay, so I can see the fuel pump does infact run, and I swapped out multiple different relays, all of which click.
I'm lost on what it could be, I even took apart the fuse box and checked for melted wires, and found no issues.
I'm lost on what it could be, I even took apart the fuse box and checked for melted wires, and found no issues.
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1 year 3 weeks ago #66718
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I would investigate the control circuit of the fuel pump relay.
Cranking long enough to build oil pressure should activate the fuel pump relay on that system.
However, with the relay unplugged from the fuse block, you obviously know which two pins to jump to send power to the pump.
Of the two remaining terminals, A1 on the diagram black and white should be constant ground. B3 green and white should be switched power from the computer to activate the fuel pump relay while the engine is cranking or running.
"Ground cannot be checked with a 10mm socket"
Replied by Noah on topic '98 C1500 5.0L RWD No start
I would investigate the control circuit of the fuel pump relay.
Cranking long enough to build oil pressure should activate the fuel pump relay on that system.
However, with the relay unplugged from the fuse block, you obviously know which two pins to jump to send power to the pump.
Of the two remaining terminals, A1 on the diagram black and white should be constant ground. B3 green and white should be switched power from the computer to activate the fuel pump relay while the engine is cranking or running.
"Ground cannot be checked with a 10mm socket"
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1 year 3 weeks ago #66727
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I watched your video and that fuel pressure is too low for that system to run.
You need to check power and grounds at the fuel pump connector. There is also a fuel pressure regulator under the upper intake that could be bad. How many miles are on this truck?
I would also check the ground straps that are on the passenger side inside the engine compartment that go from the frame to the body and from the frame to the engine. The reason I say that is because the fuel pump is grounded on the frame back near the fuel tank. You may have a partially bad ground due to a bad ground strap at the location I mentioned. Those straps are super thin and break easily. The replacements are quite a bit bigger.
You need to check power and grounds at the fuel pump connector. There is also a fuel pressure regulator under the upper intake that could be bad. How many miles are on this truck?
I would also check the ground straps that are on the passenger side inside the engine compartment that go from the frame to the body and from the frame to the engine. The reason I say that is because the fuel pump is grounded on the frame back near the fuel tank. You may have a partially bad ground due to a bad ground strap at the location I mentioned. Those straps are super thin and break easily. The replacements are quite a bit bigger.
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