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                6 years 1 week ago                #34473
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        I am building a diagnostic class for an Air Force Vehicle Maint class. I was hoping there will people on here that could provide input.
I want to short a starter solenoid power feed to ground with a resistor. I just enough current pulled from the solenoid to not work. Does anyone have a recommendation on resistor ohms?
Thank you for input in advance. I will be updating this thread as I go along.
    I want to short a starter solenoid power feed to ground with a resistor. I just enough current pulled from the solenoid to not work. Does anyone have a recommendation on resistor ohms?
Thank you for input in advance. I will be updating this thread as I go along.
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                6 years 1 week ago                #34479
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        It would need to be close to a dead short, you would need to pull the voltage down to below 9v.    
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                6 years 1 week ago                #34481
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        Thank you for the response. I see what you are saying. Aside from just opening the circuit or creating a dead short, do you have any other ideas. I thought about putting a resistor in series but I didn’t want that spot to create to much heat. With a resistor I can drop the voltage to less than 9V. I am good with ohms law enough to figure out dropping 3 volts at the resistor but I don’t know how to account for heat. This will be inside a harness so the students are not able to see it.    
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                6 years 1 week ago         -  6 years 1 week ago        #34494
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        In the 1960s through to the  1990's some Ford models used a ressistance wire about 400mm long as the ballast restor for the coil primary 12v feed  -- that should give enough voltage drop but getting hold might not be easy these days    
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        This is what you are looking for
Ford Ballast Resistor Wire Ebay Link
            Ford Ballast Resistor Wire Ebay Link
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                6 years 1 week ago                #34500
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        Does that entire wire need to be used, or can I cut it down to use a small section?    
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        I don't know, I wouldn't advise cutting it.    
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        I am considering doing a dead short or open circuit on this one.    
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                6 years 15 hours ago                #34653
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        I am working a 2013 Chevrolet Equinox 2.4l LEA. I was trying to put a fault into the ignition switch circuit. It uses a 5vref to interpret what position the key is in. Doing the initial checks it had 5v on the ref wire in the off position and ACC. Then when the key is turned to run the 5v drops to 4.01. The schematic doesn’t show a resistor in the BCM on the vref. If I were to disconnect the connector from the ignition switch, and the touch a test light connected to ground to the vref it would tell me if there was a resistor. If the measurement at the vref drops before the bulb then there is a resistor in the BCM for that reference. Does that sound accurate?  This bug did not pan out anyways. With the vref open somehow the BCM new the ignition switch was turned to start so it cranked.    
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                5 years 11 months ago                #34707
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        This is just a deduction, no a guess based on what you describe  I think the computer detects the switch position in a similar way to that used on car stereos to detect commands from steering wheel audio control buttons via a single wire.
Some steering column auto controls work by having having the different buttons connected via different resistors to ground. Similar to a TPS the voltage is supplied from the computer on a single wire via a resistor internal to the computer, that way when a button is pressed the voltage is pulled down to a different value depending on which button is pressed.
            Some steering column auto controls work by having having the different buttons connected via different resistors to ground. Similar to a TPS the voltage is supplied from the computer on a single wire via a resistor internal to the computer, that way when a button is pressed the voltage is pulled down to a different value depending on which button is pressed.
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