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                8 years 7 months ago         -  8 years 7 months ago        #6566
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In-cylinder pressure tester build details.
The pressure sensor is a very low cost item purchased from eBay it requires a clean 5 voltage.
The 5 volt supply connsists of a 5 Volt UBEC bought from ebay
A UBEC is a very low cost device mainly used by model aircraft and drone builders and can be found very cheaply on eBay. The input supply can be anywhere from 7v to 28.8 volts DC so it can run from any normal car or heavy truck battery.
This is a typical wiring tail connection supplied with a pressure sensor.
    
            
            
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    In-cylinder pressure tester build details.
The pressure sensor is a very low cost item purchased from eBay it requires a clean 5 voltage.
The 5 volt supply connsists of a 5 Volt UBEC bought from ebay
A UBEC is a very low cost device mainly used by model aircraft and drone builders and can be found very cheaply on eBay. The input supply can be anywhere from 7v to 28.8 volts DC so it can run from any normal car or heavy truck battery.
This is a typical wiring tail connection supplied with a pressure sensor.
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                8 years 7 months ago                #6574
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        Nice build . Is that your capture? I've been considering building 1 of these. I seen a while ago  someone used one of of the ports on his modis to power the 5v transducer and I've been wondering if there's any 5v power output on any of the pins on my modis ultra to do this. I hate to have another set of wires going to the battery . I guess I'll have to sit down with the dvom and start testing the pins on my scanner to find out I may not have any other choices but to use external power supply...
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                8 years 7 months ago                #6590
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        Do you have any links for the pressure sensors, I picked on up on ebay a while back and the signal I got was very poor.    
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                8 years 7 months ago         -  8 years 7 months ago        #6592
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        I know where you coming from  
The important thing is to choose the pressure sensor with the most suitable range.
The sensors are listed in units of mpa, the most suitable for compression testing of petrol/gasoline engines are rated at 1.25 mpa and 2.5 mpa.
1.25 mpa is 12.5 bar roughly 180 psi
2.5 mpa is 25 bar roughly 360 psi
Cranking compression pressures on gasoline engines can be as high as 220 psi and some GDI engines may be higher. But more typically expect 160 to 180 psi on good cylinder in service engine. Also these sensors a rated to withstand a substantial over range pressure so a 1.25 mpa sensor would be OK although a 2.5 mpa sensor also gives very good resuls.
Running compression pressures at idle on gasoline engines are generally in the range 60 to 100 psi.
On diesel engines the expected in cylinder pressures will be 400 to to 500+ psi.
            
The important thing is to choose the pressure sensor with the most suitable range.
The sensors are listed in units of mpa, the most suitable for compression testing of petrol/gasoline engines are rated at 1.25 mpa and 2.5 mpa.
1.25 mpa is 12.5 bar roughly 180 psi
2.5 mpa is 25 bar roughly 360 psi
Cranking compression pressures on gasoline engines can be as high as 220 psi and some GDI engines may be higher. But more typically expect 160 to 180 psi on good cylinder in service engine. Also these sensors a rated to withstand a substantial over range pressure so a 1.25 mpa sensor would be OK although a 2.5 mpa sensor also gives very good resuls.
Running compression pressures at idle on gasoline engines are generally in the range 60 to 100 psi.
On diesel engines the expected in cylinder pressures will be 400 to to 500+ psi.
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                8 years 7 months ago                #7952
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        Did you see the post where the guy used the 5v pin and the ground pin from the serial port on the Verus to power the sensor? Then all you have to do is plug the signal wire from the sensor into one of the channels.
I think it should be safe right? It would be a lot nicer to just have a a male serial port with just 2 wires going to it from the connector and then just the signal wire going to the scope than to have to carry all that around with everything else
    I think it should be safe right? It would be a lot nicer to just have a a male serial port with just 2 wires going to it from the connector and then just the signal wire going to the scope than to have to carry all that around with everything else
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                8 years 7 months ago                #7996
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        I can't find a number for the curent draw of the sensors but  I would be fairly confident it would be low enough for the Verus to supply. There is another option that is to run it off 9 volt battery.
This a useful link Fundamentals of pressure tranducers
            This a useful link Fundamentals of pressure tranducers
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                7 years 1 month ago                #23360
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        Replied by soptea on topic Home build In-Cylinder Pressure Build Details            
    
        Just finished my own version using an AC high pressure sensor but not really happy with result ,the lower part of waveform is missing  ,| guess sensor is not able to read vacuum .
Maybe this one would perform better , seems to match your description
www.aliexpress.com/item/Wholesale-price-...a1&priceBeautifyAB=0
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    Maybe this one would perform better , seems to match your description
www.aliexpress.com/item/Wholesale-price-...a1&priceBeautifyAB=0
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                7 years 1 month ago         -  7 years 1 month ago        #23366
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        You would be better off with a 0-200psi  sensor  as that gives a good range for both running in-cylinder  and normal  old style tests on most gasoline engines.
If you are going to be working on GDI engines then you need an even higher range.
If you get noise on the ouput to a scope use a uBec voltage converter they are tiny, dirt cheap and give a very smooth noise free ouput.
The bigest problem with home made in-cylinder sensors is the hose used to connect to the cylinder tends to collapse as few types of hose are built to withstand repeated cycling between pressure and vacuum.
            If you are going to be working on GDI engines then you need an even higher range.
If you get noise on the ouput to a scope use a uBec voltage converter they are tiny, dirt cheap and give a very smooth noise free ouput.
The bigest problem with home made in-cylinder sensors is the hose used to connect to the cylinder tends to collapse as few types of hose are built to withstand repeated cycling between pressure and vacuum.
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                6 years 6 months ago                #28384
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        I saw this thread a few months ago and decided to build my own. I Decided to run it with a 9v battery. I put it all in a project box with pigtail connectors for the sensors and banana jacks to plug the scope into. I added a 1.5 amp glass fuse and a 5v out port for bench testing sensors. I am using an oil pressure sensor that I happened to have. I think it's a GM sensor. Not really sure. It works great for running tests but doesn't have enough detail for cranking tests. I bought a 300lbs sensor from ebay, but there was no detail at all.    
    
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                6 years 6 months ago                #28388
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"Ground cannot be checked with a 10mm socket"
    
    
            
            
            
            
                                
    
                                                
    
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        Quality looking build!    
            "Ground cannot be checked with a 10mm socket"
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