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7 years 9 months ago #21505
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I'm a little old school, and a little paranoid, so all this internet-based diagnostics and repair info makes more than a little uncomfortable. I remember the good ol' days when Mitchell On Demand was DVD based, and there were periodic DVD updates. Every bit of repair data I could ever get my hands on was right there, on my laptop. When the wifi went out, I could still eat. If the power went out, I could fire up the generator, and still eat. If the zombie apocolypse came and one of those undead bastards smashed my laptop, after I smashed their skull with an ax, I could take the hard drive out and access the data on another computer. And still eat.
I know, I know, I know. Those scenarios are pretty unlikely (even if a case can be made for the zombie apocolypse already being upon us!). But they are still plausible and I do NOT like having my livelyhood in the hands of third parties to that degree.
So, my question.
What repair data is available today that does NOT rely on the internet after initial installation, other than for updates. Not a subscription only service either, because unless its like Mitchell used to be, where you had the data on your device but just didn't get updates without an active subscription, it still makes me uneasy.
I'm not working as a mechanic at the moment, and dont know if I ever will again. But I am getting back into it, focusing on diagnostics, so something along the lines of Mitchell from about 2005 is really what I need.
I know, I know, I know. Those scenarios are pretty unlikely (even if a case can be made for the zombie apocolypse already being upon us!). But they are still plausible and I do NOT like having my livelyhood in the hands of third parties to that degree.
So, my question.
What repair data is available today that does NOT rely on the internet after initial installation, other than for updates. Not a subscription only service either, because unless its like Mitchell used to be, where you had the data on your device but just didn't get updates without an active subscription, it still makes me uneasy.
I'm not working as a mechanic at the moment, and dont know if I ever will again. But I am getting back into it, focusing on diagnostics, so something along the lines of Mitchell from about 2005 is really what I need.
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7 years 9 months ago #21545
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"Ground cannot be checked with a 10mm socket"
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I think the sheer amount of data required to cover the market makes it nearly impossible for companies like Mitchell to offer a "hard copy"any more.
You might be able to find a used laptop that just happens to have the old versions of Mitchell or Alldata if you did some searching on eBay....
Keep in mind however, that this community expressly frowns upon pirated software. Paul has built the Scanner Danner namesake in no small part on the sale of his e-book and online pay material. So if you do happen to come across a deal or something like that, keep it under your hat
You might be able to find a used laptop that just happens to have the old versions of Mitchell or Alldata if you did some searching on eBay....
Keep in mind however, that this community expressly frowns upon pirated software. Paul has built the Scanner Danner namesake in no small part on the sale of his e-book and online pay material. So if you do happen to come across a deal or something like that, keep it under your hat
"Ground cannot be checked with a 10mm socket"
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7 years 9 months ago #21555
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Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of pirated stuff myself. And I won't do it. I'm better than that. However, I'm also not a huge fan of paying out the nose for resources that at one time was a one and done transaction. Especially when the alternative is to pay forever. Figure $200 per month for AllData ( it's bound to go up over time, so this is a conservative guess at what pricing might do, averaged over the long term) for an independent small shop. Times 12 months, so $2400. Times 20 years in business, so $50k. That's a LOT of coin for a small shop. Especially when, with smart planning, that number could be cut half if you could avoid the forced updates to the latest and greatest and largely unneeded info, and instead decide when you actually need an update. People say "there's too much for a DVD these days", which is true, but we have BlueRay and I have a 256gb microsd card, and a 1tb hard drive, that say storage space is not the reason for the shift on pricing. It's simple. To make the most money. Which is fine, except that it sometimes puts the small shops at a severe disadvantage. I'm not a fan of subscriptions for business critical data because to me, it sounds a lot like "you'll give me your money or regret not giving it to me, and I couldn't care less what kind of a burden it is on your business. Suck it up buttercup or go flip burgers. We'll get paid or you won't."
And Snapon is even worse these days. "Buy this new $10k platform so that you can have the current info because we have obsoleted your perfectly good, useful, well liked and familiar tool for no good reason other than we have decided its time to take more of your money. We're the best, you know we're the best, and if you want the best, throw that perfectly fine piece of technology in the trash. Because we said so."
That's the kind of stuff that makes me wonder if there's any honor left in the business.
Sorry for the rant. I'm just getting frustrated with this reentry plan. It seems the entire industry has come up with new and creative ways to screw the technicians. Things sure have changed in the last 12 years. And I am not impressed with it.
And Snapon is even worse these days. "Buy this new $10k platform so that you can have the current info because we have obsoleted your perfectly good, useful, well liked and familiar tool for no good reason other than we have decided its time to take more of your money. We're the best, you know we're the best, and if you want the best, throw that perfectly fine piece of technology in the trash. Because we said so."
That's the kind of stuff that makes me wonder if there's any honor left in the business.
Sorry for the rant. I'm just getting frustrated with this reentry plan. It seems the entire industry has come up with new and creative ways to screw the technicians. Things sure have changed in the last 12 years. And I am not impressed with it.
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